Is Chief Glenn De Caire Really a Good Guy?
Police Chief Glenn De Caire has been taking a lot of heat from the public for the actions of civil servants from the Hamilton Police Services.
Back in August 2013 Warrand Francis asked Chief Glenn De Caire to resign. A few days later De Caire announced his retirement for the end of 2014.
Millionaire philanthropist Charles Juravinski called on the Hamilton Police Services Board to reject Chief Glenn De Caire’s resignation and ask him to stay on for another term reported by the Hamilton Spectator published Nov 29th 2013.
But despite what Juravinski had to say on Mon Dec 2nd 2013 the Police Services Board decided to not keep De Caire for another term.
De Caire said he retired for personal reasons. As to what those reasons were one can only speculate.
Then at the March 17th 2014 Hamilton police board meeting, Norm Dorr breaks down the violations that have been committed under Hamilton police chief Glenn DeCaire’s watch. Norm then tells the chief to resign immediately implying as for him not to finish his term until the end of 2014.
De Caire tries to brush the demand off by promoting awards that other officers had just been given and after a council member tells the audience to show respect. People in the audience decide to speak their minds, some people shouted that some cops are liars and murderers. Video can be seen by clicking HERE.
Not too long after the police board meeting where Norm Dorr told him to resign immediately the Hamilton Spectator released an article reporting that:
“The chief is calling on the province to make changes to the Police Services Act so that taxpayers will no longer pay the salaries of suspended police officers.
The chief’s comments follow the end of the drawn-out disciplinary case of Doel, who collected almost $600,000 over the past five years while suspended with pay.
Ontario is the only province in Canada with legislation that makes it mandatory for police officers to be paid while suspended.
“It’s not just the public. Do you not think that I find it frustrating?” De Caire said Wednesday. “The process gets delayed and delayed and delayed. It erodes the public trust.”
~ SOURCE
So is Chief Glenn De Caire really a good guy? It kind of sounds like it if he is actually trying to make a change. Perhaps he’s having a change of heart?
Recently the Canadian Awareness Network interviewed Paul Rosenthal, who is a constitutional lawyer who has taken on high profile cases against the police and the government. Peter Rosenthal informed us that the chief of any police services in Canada have disciplinary authority, meaning they have the power to discipline officers the chief feels needs to be disciplined. I asked Peter Rosenthal if the chief can still discipline the officers even if the SIU deems no wrongdoings. He replied yes, “it’s a different kind of wrongdoing.” That interview can be seen by clicking HERE.
So given this information, if Chief Glenn De Caire is such a good guy why did he choose not to discipline Ryan Tocher and all the others? In the case of at least Ryan Tocher, it’s not hard to construe that Tocher was at fault in the allegations made against him but yet he never got disciplined for them not once. As one of the members of the public ‘put it’ while shouting in city hall on March 17th , “how can you respect somebody who stands by Tocher..and Farrel?”
Yes suspended without pay is a good thing to achieve but perhaps if Chief Glenn De Caire exercises more of his disciplinary authority there would be more public trust in him.
I never yelled anything at the police board meetings, and the things we expose is the corruption in the justice system. As Peter Rosenthal put it “it’s much harder to charge an officer than it is to charge a civilian unless there is compelling video shot of the police interaction” just like in Sammy Yatim case. Guaranteed if that wasn’t on video that cop would’ve never gotten charged.
Perhaps thats why you Hamilton cops are afraid of getting the lapel cams? In the end more cops would be getting charged. There wouldn’t be debates like this, if cops have lapel cams then it would end all debate because the footage would be available for all to see.
Too bad those cops werent wearing lapel cams for Mesic, Chinnery, Chantachuk etc ..,. maybe then there wouldn’t be all this speculation. At least in Steve Mesic case we proved the cops and SIU are liars. 9 bullets fired, 6 hit him and 3 missing. If they shot him the way SIU report says they did then there should be bullet holes in the side of Mesic’s house. But there isnt. If they were wearing lapel cams then this debate wouldn’t be happening.. So GET LAPEL CAMS
and carry on with your line of work
You ever wonder why the SIU didn’t bother suing me or Norm Dorr for making a video titled “SIU Cover Up Exposed” If the video had no truth to it then we’d be slandering them and that is a lawsuit
So what you’re saying is… The SIU cleared them, the Chief cleared them. I’m pretty sure the OIRPD has cleared them (assuming a complaint was filed.. Norm Dorr would have, he comes across like that kinda guy) and soon the Coroner’s Inquest will clear them….
Would you then finally think to yourself “maybe they didn’t do anything wrong?” “yelling murderers and liars at a board meeting was wrong of me to do?”
Would you apologize to the officers?
Peter Rosenthal said that “if the chief in his/her own opinion felt like there were wrongdoings he can still discipline them.” Just because the SIU cleared them of charges the chief can still do discipline if he felt if it was required. But Im not a chief, Im cant answer your questions on how I wqould be able to discipline them or on what grounds… all I know is what Peter said
Frankie… Sure. Let’s say SIU is wrong… On what grounds would you punish them? You haven’t answered that.
Loyd, I told you already… just because the SIU says they didnt do anything bad doesn’t mean its true. Period.
Why would these officers be disciplined if they have done nothing wrong? You don’t make any sense!
Discipline those officers for what? If not charge them, then punish on what grounds? “You just went through the worst situation of you career, you’re lucky to be alive… Now go home with no pay and think about what you did?”
Is this what you mean?
I don’t think all are a cover up, but sadly the ones that are mentioned on this site can be construed as that
I wouldn’t charge them with anything,I’d discipline them..Lawyer told us Decaire can still discipline them even if the SIU clears them of wrongdoings
Why is it that every police shooting is a cover up to you? You ever think that maybe these “victims” actually attacked the police with a weapon? You’re a conspiracy theorist…..period!
Then Frankie….what would you charge them with? What law did they break? They did exactly what the service asked them to do. They did exactly what their own families asked them to do. Show up to a call, and go home at the end of the shift. I can’t imagine being one of these officers, nearly dying…needing to take another life to protect their own. Then have people like yourself drag their name through the mud. It kills me a little to know people like you exist.
You are using a logical fallacy known as appeal to authority. Just because “the authorities” said they’ve done nothing wrong does not mean it is true. Anyone using the trivium can easily figure that out
Actually, chief decaire has the harshest discipline amongst police chiefs in the entire province. Any time an officer is charged formally under the police services act and/or criminally it is released to the media. Other police services do not do this to the extent of the HPS!
As for Decaire not disciplining officers such as tocher, farrel, etc. They weren’t disciplined because they have done nothing wrong. Just because someone is shot and killed doesn’t mean that they have committed an offense of any kind! These officers were cleared of any wrong doing and did not break any policy or procedure. They did what they were trained to do…PERIOD!