$5,000 Fine For Tobogganing In Hamilton?
Over the weekend, I was sent a change.org petition titled “LET US TOBOGGAN!!!!”. Usually I discard these petitions because most are incorrect, and even when they have legitimate information. Online petitions are not effective.
With that headline I decided to do some research and found out that not only is the petition correct, the bylaw goes much further than tobogganing!
Bylaw 01-029 was passed by Hamilton city council in 2001 and states the following when it comes to activities in city parks.
Hamilton city bylaw 01-029
Sport or Activities
While in any park, no person shall:
(a) arrange or engage in an organized sport or activity, unless
authorized by permit; or
(b) interfere with an organized sport or activity authorized by permit.
In addition to the prohibitions set out in subsection (1), while in any park, no
person shall utilze a designated area without a permit where same is
posted to prohibit or restrict such use.
No person shall, while in a park, take part in any game, sport or activity
except within an area specifically set aside for that game, sport or activity.
Skiing, Tobogganing and Sledding
No person shall downhill ski, toboggan, snowboard, ski bob or sled in any area park unless otherwise posted to allow same.
No person shall cross country ski in any area park that has been posted to
prohibit same.
Roller Skates and Skateboards
While in any park, no person shall:
(a)operate or utilze skate boards, traditional roller skates, in-line or
linear skates, scooters or like conveyances where signs are posted
to prohibit or otherwise restrict the use of same; or,
(b) obstruct, inconvenience or endanger other users of the park while
operating or utilzing skate boards, traditional roller skates or in-line
or linear skates, scooters or like conveyances.
While in a park, no person shall fail to give way to the right while operating
or utilizing a skate board, traditional roller skates, in-line or linear skates, a
scooter or a like conveyances on any trail, path or roadway.
While in a park, no person while operating or utilizing a skate board,
traditional roller skates, in-line or linear skates, a scooter or a like
conveyance shall fail to yield the right of way to any other person or persons
travellng on foot.
While in a park, no person while operating or utilizing a skate board,
traditional roller skates, in-line or linear skates, a scooter or a like
conveyance shall fail give an audible warning when overtaking and passing
any other person.
While in a park, no person while travellng together with another person or
persons, at any time, whether on foot or otherwise, may do so in such a
manner as to occupy more than 50% of the width of any path or traiL.
While in a park, no child of 16 years of age or less shall fail to wear a proper
Canadian Standards Association approved bicycle helmet while riding a
bicycle.
While in a park, no person having a child of 16 years of age or less under
their care shall allow said child to ride a bicycle except when wearing a
proper Canadian Standards Association approved bicycle helmet.
While in a park, no child of 16 years of age or less shall fail to wear a proper
Canadian Standards Association approved helmet while riding on or using
rollerskates, in-line skates, scooters, skate boards or like conveyances.
While in a park, no person having a child of 16 years of age or less under
their care shall allow said child to ride on or use rollerskates, in-line skates,
scooters, skate boards or like conveyances except when wearing a proper
Canadian Standards Association approved helmet

As stupid as it sounds, the city has to protect itself from stupid Hamiltonians that will sue the city if they have an accident. Blame lawyers, not the city.
THEY ARE INSANE! They are taking away any vestiges of Healthy Childhood Development via Exercise and Outdoor Fun, in a Controlled Area. I suppose they’d rather have our Children Bumper Sliding on the back’s of Buses for Fun?
As best i can tell this is a city covering its butt law. I have not personally seen it enforced though i am sure it happens. In my mind its one of those laws that is there to cover the city for liability but no one enforces it cause its plain dumb.
Wow talking about taking people fun away for kids ah maybe some teenagers will just rip the singe down then they can.t enforce it just saying
The park in the picture is in Waterdown. This is just one more reason Waterdown should not be part of Hamilton.
Listen if you take the joy out of childhood and the children will find other avenues.like drugs and other illegal activity. For God Sake let them play. Let them be children as long as necessary. Do not forbid them to be children.
Clearly you people don’t know the millions of dollars of taxpayer dollars that go to pay for law suits related to tobogganing.
http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/4146991-dreschel-taxpayers-in-for-900k-toboggan-ride/
Ridiculous! just close the park, it’ll be easier for the city to manage.
i just hope the fine folks from hamilton are going tobogganing by the thousands to repel these stupid bylaws!
Are you kidding me? I would like to see Bylaw give a 5 year old a ticket for 5K KISS MY ASS HAmilton
No wonder our kids have obesity issues. Good job government! It is much better for them to sit in from of the TV playing games instead of tobogganing which is an excellent physical activity that kids love.
I am currently in my sixties. I grew up in Hamilton and we would walk miles to ride down that hill at the garth resivor. Yes it was an exciting ride and yes it was always a chance we took. I also lived near Inch Park and we would slide down those hill even though they were much smaller and a great way to spend a day out side. As to the current law I can only assume that if I show up at a city park that has soccer goals set up that I can not play there with my grandson with out a permit? Also If I go to a park that does not have a soccer pitch I can not play soccer at all. As for the $900K artical that hole issue is a farce take ownership of your actions.
Fuck you hamilton let kids be kids and play..
Mike, I think that ‘someone’ you are talking about is in this article.
http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/4146991-dreschel-taxpayers-in-for-900k-toboggan-ride/
There was a very popular sledding spot on garth and stonechurch and a few years back they have posted the sign about being fined $5000 for sledding there. People still sled there. Has anyone actually been fined? Or this a sign to say hey if you get hurt it is not our problem?
Well, alright. Confession: My name is Laura Cole, and I started that petition. You may be right that online petitions might not be entirely effective. However, it caused you to write this article!! Proven effective and Thank you for that. This is exactly the uproar we are trying to create, so we can actually make a change. You’re right, it isn’t just the tobogganing- its every activity we have at city parks. Why even have them if children and adults can’t use them to play!? Lets keep this goin’- we’re hoping with continual support of the petition we can cause media to do something about this! We simply want to play at our own risk. Who’s with me!? Sign here: https://www.change.org/p/city-of-hamilton-let-us-toboggan
it’s probably liability protection. Someone probably got hurt, and successfully sued the city. Now if it happens again, they can point at the sign and say not our problem.
Like the caution hot on McDonald’s cups.
Doubt anyone would enforce this.
No person(s) shall be involved in the activities of br at bing or taking deep breaths nor should they ever prevent other a from taking said same breaths withinin the gi city of the park or within the said areas deemed prohibited for tobboganing
i dont see any problem with this. all theu are saying is dont play sports like basketball or hockey in tennis courts, dont play soccer on basketball courts and likewise. theyre just rules soo people arnt smashin into everyone and when they mean activities they mean like league football games or league soccer etc. its kinda like when they make a path through beasley park and stupid assclowns walk through beasley skatepark yet its obvious it takes longer to dp that aswell. fuckin assholes.
Is this new or ongoing.. The place I grew up playing ice hockey outside has always had a sign posted no ice hockey. was always told this was just to prevent lawsuits. has anyone actually been stopped??
Hi I think this is totally ridiculous.I have not heard of anything like this in Toronto but what are parks for then? The only problem I find here is that less and less space is becoming available for outdoor winter activities more so the park closest to where I live.They the city plant too many trees in areas where there wasn’t any before
then why do we have parks in our cities?
We have to pay to park to walk through Webster’s
We have to pay to park to enjoy Cootes Paradise
Can you not leave the parks in Hamilton alone for crying out loud?
http://www.thespec.com/opinion-story/4146991-dreschel-taxpayers-in-for-900k-toboggan-ride/#.VH4eHPJ2B6Y.facebook thank THIS guy and the judge for coucil’s ruling
…and what are your parks for?
Oh for the birds?
Ooooook
Bull shit I’m still doing it I’ll give u a fake name wow this place is going to shit
Clearly Hamilton you ticket Parent at kids Football games and now this really you don’t have enough money that you want to fine tax payers who want to have fun in there own City Wake Up Hamilton City Hall You guys are becoming a bigger Joke then the Fords in TO LOL
I think someone had better remember what the definition of a Park actually is ! Or are they going to change that too ?! This is ridiculous !!!! It’s 2014 people, this is unacceptable and Hamilton City council should be embarrassed !
HOW ARE WE AS PARENTS SUPPOSE TO SHOW A GOOD EXAMPLE TO OUR KIDS AND GET THEM TO PUT DOWN THE VIDEO GAMES FOR A WHILE AND GET OUT AND HAVE SOME FUN OUTSIDE LlKE WE DID AT THEIR AGE AND GET SOME FRESH AIR …IF WE ARE FINED UP TO THE WAZZOOO ? THAT’S OUTRAGEOUS ! WHAT TOTAL BUNK !
well it clearly states that this does not apply to you.. it says ” no person shall” … now , go get a blacks law dictionary… any version… person means , corporation, institution, human…ect… it does not mean man, and no, a human is not man. learn your rights, google karl lentz and if anyone tries to charge you with an offense, learn how to turn the tables on them, no man can interfear with another man, no man can harm another man without compensation. want to see that so called law disappear fast?
This is why the state is not great, it is going past it’s bounds and is out of control. The common interest is not to destroy everything that is great about humanity with micromanagement and excessie arbitrary bureaucracy. This is what fake freedom looks like, the freedom in this country is a lie as you are only free to do things till they one day decide that you cannot. And your children cannot toboggan, and they cannot sell lemonade, and they cannot have the childhood that you had because your (our) generation has allowed the system to do this. The system is not doing this for your own good, it is showing you who is boss, they masters, you their slave. There used to be boundaries in the system to prevent this very sort of thing, but realize, those boundaries are entirely stripped away. How will it feel when one day you cannot even bat an eyelash without some government asshole getting on your case?
THIS IS RIDICULOUS! ….